Honda RC1000V Concept Bike Channeling Honda’s production V-Four MotoGP streetbike.

Honda RC1000V Concept Bike

Toward the end of his annual share holders address last September, dealing with business as usual, Honda President/CEO Takanobu Ito snuck in a paragraph that relit the pilot in the hearts of the V-Four faithful everywhere: “Since its market introduction in 1987, the RC30 [VFR750R] supersports bike has been loved by a large number of fans. With a goal to create a new history, passionate Honda engineers have gotten together and have begun development of a new supersports bike to which new technologies from MotoGP machines will be applied.”

RC is not a nomenclature Honda throws around lightly. In the modern era, Honda won the first two Superbike World Championships, 1988 and 1989, with Fred Merkel and the RC30. Later, it spent many millions building a fuel-injected 750cc V-Four, the RC45, and hired John Kocinski to beat Ducati in 1997. When Honda determined to beat the Italians at their own V-Twin game, the RC51 was the bike to do it and Colin Edwards the man (in an epic last-round win over Troy Bayliss in 2000).

Finally, with MotoGP in dire straits and CRT machines making a mockery of motorcycling’s premier class, Honda has decided to build a production racer for sale. And with that decision made, why not an SBK homologation/domesticated street version for sale to the public?

What the new bike will be like is anybody’s guess. Here’s Kevin Cameron’s: “I think Honda has put a lot into cutting weight from the RC211/212/213V engines, and the affordable part of this will be passed along to whatever they produce. Fuel used to be up in a humpy gas tank but is now moved down under the seat for the most part. So much has been learned in the MotoGP years about how to use chassis lateral flexure to make bikes hook up even on rough pavement; some of that will pass along.

“A lot of MotoGP relationship will be look and detail styling—not much more than Bold New Graphics. In line with current MotoGP norms, the fairing will look very abbreviated from the sides. There’s no other way to get all that heat out without having an enclosing fairing channel it onto the rider, making the bike into a convection oven in motion.

“All the details, the swingarm braced on the bottom, the details of how the brake calipers and fork look, will contribute to the effect. I hear it’s to be designated RC213B, but as to product name, surely something stormy and predatory! Vortex! Perfect Storm! Naked Mole Rat? Basically, who knows?”

Contributing Editor Steve Anderson, who traveled to Japan in 1988 to ride the RC30, thinks the bike will be a Honda technology statement just like the RC30 was: “I would expect tiny LED headlights, a lithium-ion battery and full-color TFT LCD dash. Perhaps a race ABS and sophisticated traction control, wheelie control and launch control matching or exceeding those used by BMW. Or maybe just a GP-look fairing on an improved CBR with gear-driven cams?” When Honda racing boss Shuhei Nakamoto was asked about the bike at the final MotoGP race of the season at Valencia, he said, “That is production machine. Not my department.”

The CBR1000RR isn’t getting any younger, but it remains a decent platform for World Superbike competition and for selling to the masses at reasonable cost—meaning the new RC doesn’t have to be anything like practical. In 1990, an $11,000 RC30 wasn’t quite twice the price of a $5998 CBR1000F. In ’94, you could get three CBR900RRs for the price of one $27,000 RC45. But the 2000 RC51 sold for the very same $9999 as the CBR929RR, so there really is no precedent. Whatever the price, expect the new RC to be a highly desirable object of moto-worship.

It’s about time.

  • COD

    That was a titanic (Tornado/Bayliss) battle back in WWSBK Twin vs Twin year; Slight #111, raced around for years on the RC45 focused so hard, gave himself brain cancer. Then cleaned their act-up, put a red-top on that V-$45 and eared 11 to come home #1, job done and won more than a few IOM TT races under a variety of pilots including Joey Dunlop and Steve Hislop, Phillip McCallen, just to name a few. Now V-Formation serving Aprilia well…well?

  • aaronbbrown

    When I was 21, I bought a 1986 VFR750FG, brand-new from Boca Honda for $4700 cash, list price was $5200, way more than any other 750 on sale at the time. My first true sport bike, and it was amazing. It could easily smoke the GSX 750-R and FZ 750 on the market at that time, power and handling wise. And after a little tweaking of the carburetors exhaust and suspension, it was even better. The only bikes on the market that could put a bike length or two on me had close to twice the displacement. It had fantastic midrange power, and an amazing top end punch

    V4s only went away at the top tier of the sport bike market because they were significantly more expensive to produce compared to in-line 4s. I’m glad Honda is going to produce one again, but if it costs 100 grand that it’s really only for race homologation, and for the millionaires and billionaires that will buy them, not for the rest of us.

    So I suppose Honda is saying that they can’t build a competitively priced (under $15,000) RR which can come close to what Aprilia (the best engine and brakes on the market) and BMW (best sport bike) are producing. So they’re going to up the ante and pull a Ducati on us, and give us something that is not really a street bike. So real customers will continue to have to settle for bikes that are a step or two below the best genuine production bikes. Sad to see Honda go down this road, that’s not the Honda that I know and love.

    • Zzz

      I can’t really understand your last passage. Why do you think so? Look at the front fork, the swingarm, the brakes and the low positioned underseat gas tank – the bike looks excellently engineered and I bet it’s going to handle the same way…

      • Hans Klinkingbeard

        As far as I recall, the GSX-R was a faster and better handling bike back then. Perhaps your riding skills were more refined or your memory a bit foggy concerning the past.

        • aaronbbrown

          My friend had in 1986 GSX-R dry clutch limited-edition, I road it and it was good, lighter quicker handling at low-speed, but at high speed +120 mph, It wasn’t nearly as stable and the handling couldn’t touch my VFR after it was properly dialed. Nor was the engine close, once they’d been uncorked. Midrange and top end no contest.

          A friend had a worked Yamaha FZ that had a bit better top end, but I could eat him in the mid range as well.

          I had something of an edge because I was getting tuning tips from some racers back then. If you knew how to set up the Honda it was about as good as it got at that time, but most people didn’t know how to do it properly.

          • jfc1

            good maybe those racers helped you to deal with the oiling problem the VFRs had when they first came out LOL

    • jfc1

      …Honda stopped making & selling V4s, when?

      I missed that…seriously.

      And wasn’t the VFR500 a midrange bike?

      Anyway thanks for the example of motorcycle-related hyperbole.

      • aaronbbrown

        Yeah, a lot of GSX riders thought I was exaggerating back then as well, and I went home with their money in my pocket, smoked a few GSX-R 1100s as well after getting a $20,000 magnesium exhaust for almost nothing, working the heads and replacing the carbs, getting 118.5 hp at the rear wheel. Sold the bike to a mechanic back in the early 90s and it’s still on the road today, 94,000 miles.

        • jfc1

          yeah that’s really great for you but it doesn’t mean that you were right about what you said. And you weren’t, for one thing, about their not selling V4s definitely.

          • aaronbbrown

            Producing dated technology V4s using old engine casting designs for low output sport tour bikes is not the same thing as producing a cutting edge top tier sport bike designed from the ground up for racing.

            To clarify the confusion, my only interest is in state-of-the-art top-of-the-line sport bikes designed for use in superbike racing then and now. The last these V4 powered Honda produced was the RVF750R RC45 in the 90s. Since then we’ve only seem in-line fours and V-twins engines in their top sport bikes, specifically the CBR & VTR lines.

            This post is about a sport bikes designed for racing, other kinds of motorcycles and their engines don’t even enter into my consciousness. Sorry I forgot this was Cycle World, a pedestrian publication I haven’t read in a decade. :)

          • jfc1

            so what, man, they are engines, they rev, they make power…your bike moves. You can spend more money on any engine to make it “race spec” if you really want to.

            Do the castings have to be signed by Pavarotti for you to be happy?

          • jfc1

            The Honda RC45′s V4 motor is a beautiful hand-crafted statement of
            excellence. But 120bhp ( claimed ) just isn’t enough to see off
            opposition like the Ducati 916, Kawasaki ZX7-R or the Honda CBR900RR FireBlade.
            For £18,300 buyers might have expected the Honda RC45 to be a 190mph
            racer with lights on it, a real Joey Dunlop TT replica. Close ratio
            gearbox makes it a pain to ride in town.

  • Dan The MAn

    Hopefully there will be 2 versions, One for $100K with titanium internals, CF parts and 210HP, another in the $25K range which will be 40lb heavier but otherwise same configuration and maybe 20HP less. The R&D was paid for, it’s just a matter of production now.

    • jfc1

      …just think: you could buy the heavier version…and replace the parts with expensive and lighter ones…

      This is going to be interesting because the CBR is always going to be there, the V4 engine should have more torque if not more power. Yet again a direct comparison between the two bikes will have to be made.

  • KawaLooLoo

    Hope this won’t go down the same road as the Desmo….

  • Zzz

    And now, Honda, please work on a 400 cc version for all the beginners between us :) We really don’t like your current small displacement CBRs :)

    • jfc1

      why do you need a special stunted version of a motorcycle?

    • jfc1

      give Honda one good reason why they should make a 400cc version of their literbike RC streetbike, and I’m sure they’ll think about it.

      Do you have one?

  • Hans Klinkingbeard

    Seeing how the latest VFR cost $17,000, I don’t believe they could produce this machine on a mass scale (10,000 bikes) and not have to charge at least $30,000. HONDA is just showing off it’s latest trickery that is as unobtainable as “unobtainium” to most of us.

    • Zzz

      Quality COSTS!!! Or do you want a “japanese” bike made in China, like BMW does with its “german” bikes? I personally don’t! Don’t want my safety on the mercy of a salary-sour chinese, or my money going to Mao’s military plans. And if Honda starts to manufacture in China, I solemnly declare will forget it as a brand

    • jfc1

      …what VFR costs $17k?

      I see $16k usa for the VFR1200F but that’s msrp
      no ’11s or ’12s much less ’13s on eBay but they have 3 ’10s with standard shift for under $13k

      in any case this is a collectors’ item
      basically you want a racebike, just call yosh or graves and have them build you one

      Yosh for example is selling, through suzuki dealers…

      2012/2013 LIMITED EDITION GSX-R1000, 750, & 600

      Each one of the 45 Yoshimura Limited Edition GSX-R’s comes with a new paint scheme in Black and Red with gold pin striping. Each Limited Edition GSX-R also includes a Yoshimura R-77 Carbon Fiber EPA Noise-Compliant Slip-On1, and a plethora of aircraft-grade aluminum CNC machined hard parts, including:

      Fender Eliminator Kit2
      Case Savers
      Chassis Protectors
      Axle Adjuster Blocks
      Race Stand Stoppers
      Steering Stem Nut
      Bar Ends
      Engine Plug Kit
      Oil Filler Plug Kit
      Genuine Suzuki Solo Seat Cowl
      Yoshimura Radiator Stencil
      Individually Numbered Limited Edition Name-Badge

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Cole/614097679 Steve Cole

    Buy a 2013 RSV4 Factory and get a better bike, right now. If you want over 200hp, you can probably get it for similar money that Honda is targetting, as Aprilia will build you a SBK 1.1 engine to your specifications (base spec is 233hp).